Question: Does God Make Us Sin?



Anonymous asked:
If God predestines everything, does He predestine sin? Can one of His elect fall into binding sin and still be elect? Would God cause one of His children to be bound by sin for His greater glory?

I already know that by answering doctrinal questions about predestination and election, I’m bound to make at least a few people angry, confused, despondent, or all the above. So as I like to do with these sorts of things, let’s ask a series of questions.

Does God predestine everything? Yes.

Do we still have free will? Yes.

Does God “cause” us to sin? Never.

Does He “author” our sin? Yes.

Is there a difference? Yes.

Do we still choose to sin? Yes.

Can an elect become a non-elect? No, or the elect was never elect.

Can a non-elect become an elect? No, or the non-elect was never non-elect.

Does God destine people to Hell? Not sure. I’ll humble myself and say God does whatever He wants, and it would be righteous.

Can we with our limited finite three lb. brains determine who is elect or not? No.

So I can’t sneak out of evangelizing if I think this dude is non-elect? No.

Can God cause someone to be bound by sin for His glory? Again, God can do whatever He wants, righteously.

Does the person still choose to be bound? Yes.

Now let’s allow the Bible to speak for itself (which it will do anyway).



Exhibit A) Romans 9, the most confusing chapter in the Bible. Francis Chan in Erasing Hell pretty much says you can read the Bible pretty normally and then there was Romans 9. Read it for yourself, slowly, and in context.

Exhibit B) 1 John 2:19, which makes a case for permanent election and validates non-election.

Exhibit C) Ephesians 1:4-6, 11, which uses the word predestine.

Exhibit D) Hebrews 6:4-6, 10:26-29, which indicates a sinner’s free will to reject salvation.

Exhibit E) In Exodus, it’s mentioned that God hardens Pharaoh’s heart nine times and Pharaoh hardens his own heart seven times.

I’m not trying to be cute with you by lobbing questions and verses. What I am saying is that I’m not stupid enough to be that smart. God predestines, we choose.

God authors the story, so while you could say God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, it would be just as right to say Pharaoh hardened his own heart. If you’re writing a novel and your protagonist Jim killed the antagonist Fred, then Jim killed Fred. But it’s also true that you the writer killed Fred. Still, it doesn’t remove the actuality (of the fictional story) that Jim did it.

I’m sure a Calvinist-Spurgeonist Reformed wonder-kid wearing a cape embroidered with the 95 Theses can explain this one endlessly, way better than me, and make me feel like a moron for even writing about it. Correct doctrine at the expense of people-loving, God-fearing hearts: that’s how these discussions end up going if I step into that dungeon. So no thanks. I only concede that both must be true: God predestines, we choose. How does that work? Fortunately God is God, and I’m not.

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7 thoughts on “Question: Does God Make Us Sin?

  1. I am one of those cape-wearing people and I think you really did an excellent job. The heart of Calvinism is not knowing how God works, it’s throwing yourself on God’s mercy as the clay asks mercy of the Potter.
    Well done.

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    1. (Secret: I’m a closet Reformed Calvinist. I’ve read the Institutes. I listen to Mark Driscoll and Matt Chandler at the gym. I’m about a 3 and a half Point Calvinist. Secret #2: I love my Arminian brothers.)

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  2. Interesting!! 😀 P.Joon, I’m glad I get to read your stuff! ^.^

    I learned the whole “free will” thing differently:

    We have a will… it’s not necessarily “FREE”, but we DO have our own “will”. It is not ULTIMATE because God has the ultimate will. We have a SECONDARY will that is subject to God’s ULTIMATE will. For instance, I want to pick up this cup next to me. I do it without any intervention from anyone. HOWEVER, if God did not want me to pick it up, it would not have happened.

    Another view was the case with the play “Hamlet”. When Hamlet dies, one can say Laertes absolutely kills Hamlet. But at the same time, one can also agree that Shakespeare absolutely kills Hamlet. “Well which is it?”: It’s actually both – Through Laertes, Shakespeare kills Hamlet. Likewise, we do choose to do things, but because God allows (as you have mentioned above)

    What I have written here, I cannot confirm to be absolute truth… but they are simply different views I have heard from others or have read up on. Please don’t feel like I’m trying to evangelize or teach or whatever… haha I’m simply putting out there another set of views that people may/will have.

    P.Joon, I love you brotha! Jesus and I love you!

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    1. Brian! Thanks for your input, brother.

      I totally agree with you. I’m pretty big on free will and human choice. Calvinism at its hyper-extreme begins to erode on that.

      I also think much of it is a mystery. Got to love those, too.

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  3. Its really horrible to say God “authors” sin. Author denotes source, not simply cause. One can cause (bring about an action) but not be the proper author of that action. Cause is word that is far more flexible to nuance, whereas, author is not so much.

    God in no way authors sin. The source and author of sin is the heart of man himself. Nearly all branches of historic Reformed theology make this distinction between cause and author.

    Thanks,
    David

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  4. God is pure evil. I’m not being untruthful. God the father told me that he would make me go and sin, just because I screamed at him out of grief. He is trying to make me suffer beyond what I can handle just so he can make me evil like him. And God the father predestined the fall of man for his glory. And God told me he predestined people to hell.

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